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This episode today is part of our series about getting older right now. And before we get into it, I want to let you know that we are doing a live national radio call-in about aging on Wednesday, February 3rd from pm Eastern time. We had to postpone this follow-up special because of all the breaking news out of Washington, and we are excited to talk together, live, about what those of you over 60 are noticing about aging right now. Beverly Glenn-Copeland: I really believe that we are constantly affecting everything around us and it responds to us. So if we can hold or primarily hold a positive feeling about the world, about ourselves, and hold hope, we can change the world.
This is Death, Sex and Mone y. The show from WNYC about the things Women want sex Copeland think about a lot and need to talk about Women want sex Copeland. I'm Anna Sale. This is Beverly Glenn-Copeland, whose music has been an essential salve for me through these last several months. Glenn is a Canadian musician and singer-songwriter who's been quietly putting out albums since the s.
The album went largely unnoticed until when a Japanese record collector ed to ask Glenn if he had any more copies. BGC: I wouldn't go so much as to say it was exciting. I would say, I was thinking, "Oh, that's great! And we must have some around here somewhere. My wife said, "Yes, this is where they are," and she went and pulled them all out. BGC: Otherwise, I'd still be looking for them. And then, what happened was, all of a sudden, within probably a month of him selling those records, I started getting calls from record companies. Then, at that point, that was when my jaw hit the floor.
Suddenly, in his 70s, Glenn's career took off and was supposed to be the year when all this new attention and opportunity was going to come together. A new documentary about Glenn was headed for film festivals. A new collection of his music was being released and an international tour was planned.
Then of course, the tour was called off. BGC: It was interesting because I really didn't have much time to think about the loss of the touring. I was so busy thinking about the loss of a home. Last year, Glenn and his wife were also in the midst of moving. They'd already sold their old house. When their projected earnings from the tour went away, they could no longer afford the place they planned to buy. That's how I first learned about Glenn's music.
Word had spread quickly among his fans and people in the queer community who wanted to help out Glenn, a trans elder. Glenn and his wife were also given a place to stay. When we talked, Glenn was sitting next to his electric piano in a guest house overlooking the Atlantic coast in New Brunswick. BGC: We were offered this place in June when we no longer had a home. It's absolutely stunningly beautiful. BGC: Two people married to each other, both international lawyers, a man and a woman, who had made a whole lot of money, found out about our situation and offered it to us for nothing until we could until Spring, at which point they considered that we would have found another home.
AS: They said, "We have this home on the coast, come stay here. BGC: It was a point of being stunned actually because my wife and I had been under such stress to essentially not know where we were going to live for five months. They called it paying it forward.
BGC: Totally. Before he wrote and performed his own music, Glenn studied classical singing and performance. He grew up playing piano in a Quaker family in Philadelphia that had a steinway in the living room.
He left to go to school in Montreal, where he was one of the first black students to study music at McGill University. After McGill, he realized he wanted to take his career in another direction. BGC: I want to start to write music that incorporates the music from all over the world and many other cultures. That's what hit me. What I did was, I took the guitar and I didn't know anything about anybody else doing this either.
I started retuning the strings and every piece that would come to me would have a different tuning on the strings and I'd have to retune the thing. I played it with a pic Women want sex Copeland though it was a drum. AS: Did it feel, do you remember a feeling of fear as you were stepping away from all of those familiar slots? BGC: I don't know. No, I just went, "Oh, this is what I'm going to do next. I don't get it. AS: Can you tell me about, what is it about you that you think makes it feel like not a big deal to say, like they're all these ways that people have done this before, but I'm just going to try something really different and not feel too worried about it.
BGC: I don't think I'm too sensitive. It was a drive. BGC: Oh, listen, I had no money. I was in a full cast on one leg, not walking. The only thing I could afford was one little room that was on a second floor. I had to go up on my cast. I ate peanut butter. That's how I met peanut butter and sardines and it was fine. I felt totally free. I wasn't afraid of it.
It was just like, this is what it is.
I'm free to explore this. I'm going to explore this. I look on it now with great amazement because youth is like, no, the great thing about youth is that it isn't afraid of anything, and the difficulty about youth is it has no idea what it should be afraid of. BGC: I Women want sex Copeland a very dear friend, and she had a very good friend, and this good friend she was a writer for this show.
She got in touch with me and asked me if I would be willing to be on this program called the Mr. Dressup show. She said, "We'd love to have you on this show and we're writing you in as a character, but we also would like it if you would write music for this show, for this particular episode. I was just like, "Oh, goody two shoes. You know, I had to get dressed up in all these silly costumes, right? And I had to talk to these puppets who were just amazing.
And um, and then I wrote music for the show. Well, afterwards they loved it so much, that all the other writers started writing me in. And after a while, I became a character who was considered to be one of the neighborhood folks in the show. And um, and I probably wrote a hundred songs for them and 20 years passed by. BGC: I wanted to convey to children that what they were looking at made them feel safe, made them feel loved, made them feel seen, not talking down to them, but engaging them in their own imagination.
BGC: Yes and no. It depends on what aspect of it. I felt very safe as in terms of that my Women want sex Copeland was a safe place and my parents were very safe from that perspective. Now, the ways in which I did not feel safe did not happen until I revealed to my parents that I was a boy in a girl's body. Coming up, Glenn talks about how he began to understand his gender identity and how his parents reacted to it. BGC: My parents were Black for God's sakes and they knew what it was like to have to be able to be safe in a society in which you were basically second-class citizens.
Rachel has been trying to meet people during the pandemic, which has been very strange. She felt that acutely, when she hit it off with a guy she'd met on a dating app recently. Rachel: We'd had a video date. We'd had a walking date and then going to his apartment for the first time in this feeling like I didn't even know this person and I wasn't asking for a one night stand, but suddenly we were in this really intimate situation because restaurants weren't open, movie theaters, bars, nothing's open. The only place you can go is into someone's private home.
Send in your thoughts if you're single and looking, especially if you're not straight or not a woman. Separately, Rachel's mention of one night stands got us reminiscing about when you could go home with someone without worrying about getting coronavirus. And as we are coming up on Valentine's Day, we thought it would be fun to get nostalgic together. So we want to hear your best one night stand stories. This time, we'd really like you to send in voice memos. Record it and it to us at deathsexmoney wnyc.
No matter how long ago, tell us about that magical moment of connection that stands out. I, for one, a married mom with Women want sex Copeland little kids would really like to hear them. On the next episode, we continue our series about being over 60 right now. She grew up on the US-Mexico border, the oldest of 11 siblings, and spent a lot of her young adulthood making trade-offs, like when she had to leave her college and work at the electric company to support her family. I didn't want to be working in an office, typing up contracts for businesses or to let people have their lights, no matter how I justified it as it being an essential job that, you know, people need their electricity, it didn't mitigate the feeling of, "I don't belong here.
From the time he wasBeverly Glenn-Copeland knew he was different from the people he saw around him. But the words he used to describe his gender identity and sexuality changed over the years. In the s, when Glenn was a student at McGill, he identified as a lesbian and his parents were alarmed when they found out he was dating women.
Beverly Glenn-Copeland: Well, they were frantic, absolutely frantic because first of all, the literature coming from the psychiatric community at that time called it all a disease.Women want sex Copeland
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